White supremacy group National Vanguard, newly headquartered in Our Fair City, likes to distribute copies of their publication, The Aryan Alternative, on people’s doorsteps. It gets them attention. So they did it yesterday morning in Rose Hill, Kate Andrews reports in today’s Progress. And now I’ve written about it here. We suck.
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What are these people doing here in Charlottesville/Albemarle – why aren’t they in Lynchburg or some such place? This is really quite creepy. Not to be intolerant, but one hardly wants to be a haven for that kind of intolerance.
I’d like to catch them ‘delivering’ on my property – I’d detain one, at gunpoint if necessary, until the police could arrive and arrest them for trespass. I’d call the regress after I called 911 to be sure they could get a photog over there as fast as possible. Sunlight really is the best disinfectant. I grew up in the Rosehill/Rugby Ave neighborhood and used to be a paperboy for the regress there. This news really disturbs me.
What are these people doing here in Charlottesville/Albemarle – why aren’t they in Lynchburg or some such place?
I wondered the same thing, until somebody recently explained it to me. What better a town? We’re extremely tolerant of dissenting viewpoints, to the point that we’re going to have the free expression chalkboard on the Downtown Mall. We have Thomas Jefferson to thank for that.
They’re probably safer here than in just about any town.
I wouldn’t worry. This has been around Charlottesville for a lot longer than most of you know. My first encounter with neo nazi movement came in the late 80’s, early 90’s. Most of them were high school kids (that came from rich families) that didn’t fit in. Some of them were in their early 20’s. Later on they harbored other neo nazis from Los Angeles and Minnesota at which they became a little organized and a little more violent (fights on the corner, etc.). I remember they caused a stir when they handed out their “literature” in the University Heights Apartment area. Eventually most of the kids got so scared that they left town so that they could leave “the movement”. At that point it fizzled out.
Plus, I can promise you that someone is or will be watching what they do. All of those kids back in the day were visited by the FBI when president Clinton came to town. I knew one of the girls that was questioned and from her account, they had an extensive amount of information on her and the group.
What can we expect? More lit being passed around and probably a parade/rally that will piss off enough people that they’ll be forced to relocate. Sure there are a lot of liberals here but keep in mind that a lot of them are filthy freakin rich and god forbid those neo nazis start hanging out on the downtown mall in front of their beloved paramount/amphitheatre waving the dixie flag disrupting commerce.
By the way, I would rather them announce who they are and what they’re about. The quiet ones that keep their racist beliefs to themselves are far more damaging and dangerous. Last I checked, there are a lot of those here in the ville. The good thing about this group is that it will bring those people out of the closet (no offense to homosexuals).
“Why aren’t they in Lynchburg, or some such place?”…I had to laugh at this. What makes us morally superior to these places? Is it that we’re more attractive? Wealthier? More educated? So what? The fact is the same population exists here. The rednecks haven’t all been bought out yet. Worse than that, we seem to attract better trash from out of town as well, of all classes and philosophies. We get reprobates of the Tyco variety, and the Klan variety. I guess it’s offset by the good people we may attract also.
Waldo – I thought of you and the chalkboard as I was writing that – and also of the Netherlands where tolerance is a major virtue.
rd21ytl – I have lived in c’ville all my life, and remember the earlier bunch of kids you mention, although I graduated in ’85 and didn’t overlap with them as far as I know. They are/were disaffected kids, first and foremost. I’d prefer they’d rebelled by taking up integral yoga and hanging out with Sri Swami Gurudev (sp?) out at Yogaville, but they were basically kids. I’ll bet the FBIies scared the poop out of them.
GovMan – C’ville is not like the valley, southwest or southside – I don’t know if you are from here or have lived in any of these communities. I’ve lived in C’ville all my life, but part of my family is from Pittsylvania by way of Lynchburg and I’ve lived there for a few years. I’m sorry – the average sophistication of folks in the c’ville orbit is much greater than that in the city that is home to Jerry Falwell. There is considerably greater tolerance for racist values there than here. Sure there are rednecks here too, and we do bring in our own variety of trash – but the Klan types fit the areas of Virginia to the south and west of us far more than they do here. So, yes, on that little score, I’d consider us “morally superior,” if you insist on framing it in those terms. We’ve come a lot futher than, say, Farmville, since we shut down the schools.
I used to take a more laid back attitude about this stuff – I figured these folks were probably just flakes who would go away faster if ignored. However, the Republicans have been stoking up the anti-minority crowd as a way to GOTV so that nasty little strain of American politics is alive and well, and the taboo against it is weakened, which worries me. The influx of Mexican immigrants in central Virginia over the past decade has only contributed to this.
cville_libertarian – “I’ll bet the FBIies scared the poop out of them.”
That was a turning point. What really scared them was when for some idiotic reason, they decided to pick a fight with the white hip hop crowd. They ended up getting shot at. All of a sudden it wasn’t all that cool to be a neo nazi I guess. Oh the days of my youth, how do I miss thee…..hahahaha.
I also agree with your statement about the Republicans, but I don’t think that they’ll be much of a problem in the future. They’re on the verge of falling apart. Hopefully more centered Republicans can take control of their party. Hopefully the Democrats can kick’em when their down.
I’m nervous about the illegal immigration thing. I’m an asian/pacific islander who was born here in 73. I look Mexican to some people. Matter of fact, when I lived out west, Mexicans would try to talk to me in spanish. I’d tell them “no abla espanol”
Anyway, I know from experience that the influx is having an effect on people and it’s only going to get worse. I know some people don’t want to hear this, but we should legalize them so that businesses would be forced to pay them at least min wage (that would level the playing field to some degree). They (all 2million +) would have to start paying taxes which would alleviate some of the strain as well. I know that some people want to kick em out but it’s too late. They’re here. Are we going to drive all 2 mil+ back to Mexico? And keep in mind a good chunk of them are from S. America. I guess we could fly them back at taxpayer expense. I hear southwest airlines is running a deal this month. Better yet, we could get FEMA to organize this project. I’m so tired of this problem. It’s such an easy problem to solve but no one has the balls to do anything about it. Anyway……
So, we have a self-described “libertarian” who’s so proud of his “tolerance” that he wants to arrest us at gunpoint for delivering a newspaper. What a hypocrite.
“Difference of opinion leads to enquiry, and enquiry to truth; and that, I am sure, is the ultimate and sincere object of us both. We both value too much the freedom of opinion sanctioned by our Constitution, not to cherish its exercise even where in opposition to ourselves.”
~ Thomas Jefferson to P. H. Wendover, 1815
“Reason and persuasion are the only practicable instruments. To make
way for these, free inquiry must be indulged; and how can we wish others
to indulge it while we refuse it ourselves?”
~ Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XVII, 1782
“If [a] book be false in its facts, disprove them; if false in its reasoning,
refute it. But for God’s sake, let us freely hear both sides if we choose.”
~ Thomas Jefferson to N. G. Dufief, 1814
“I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of others to differ from me in
opinion without imputing to them criminality.”
~ Thomas Jefferson to Abigail Adams, 1804
“Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free. Nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature, habit, opinion has drawn indelible lines of distinction between them.”
~ Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, 1821
Oh, joy, the Nazis have discovered cvillenews.com, in the form of our new friend Mike.
Won’t this be fun?
Was Mr. Jefferson a Nazi?
Yeah, that’s right, he was a Nazi. Me too, because I’m preemptively pitching you off the website.
You might have the right to engage in free expression, but I have the right not to subsidize that expression. I also have the right to call you a pathetic little twit who richly deserves any ass-kickings that you’re handed in the course of said free expression.
What a country!
I was wondering how long it would take for that to happen. For them to discover Cville News and try to post I mean. I thought it would’ve happened sooner than it did.
Well that’s great. Let’s surely prohibit an expression with which we disagree. It is a sad state when an unpopular point of view or opinion which may disguest us is banned from view by the ones who want to censor them. What’s next, banning opinions which differ on politics, religion, or how about Muslims, Jews or any religion with which we may disagree? As much as I may disagree with an opinion, it is the right of anyone in this country to have it.
I guess that I will be censored now.
You seem altogether unclear on the First Amendment. I’m not the government. I can ban any opinion from this site that I want, just as surely as you can ban me from your home if I insult everybody at your party. My site, my rules. Slippery slope blah blah blah. This is not a part of some larger discussion about the freedom of expression. It’s about you being a completely worthless human being. I set up the chalkboard — go sully that.
You want to have a debate about whether or not Jews or blacks should exist. Go for it. But I’ll be goddamned if that debate is going to be had on my site. If you had it in my home, I’d kick your ass. Here, you just get tossed.
You can’t be censored. It’s not within my power. But you are being thrown off my website. Again. This is a private party and — story of your life — you’re not invited. And I’m done acknowledging you — all future accounts and posts will simply disappear silently.
This is silly. Nobody takes those guys seriously anyway. They’re better off here than somewhere where someone might actually buy into their crazy ideas.
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