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		<title>By: Christian</title>
		<link>http://cvillenews.com/2011/11/26/oldest-business/#comment-45473</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 01:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s the [sad] way of the world today. Maybe it was always like that. I don&#039;t know. The Truth is a just a &#039;perspective&#039; and even &#039;scientists&#039; are full of angles. But what I do know is this: the spirit of community and the quest for the well-being of the many is on its death-bed. The few pockets of resistance to the corporate machine are going the way of the Dodo bird. I can only hope I am wrong.
Really.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the [sad] way of the world today. Maybe it was always like that. I don&#8217;t know. The Truth is a just a &#8216;perspective&#8217; and even &#8216;scientists&#8217; are full of angles. But what I do know is this: the spirit of community and the quest for the well-being of the many is on its death-bed. The few pockets of resistance to the corporate machine are going the way of the Dodo bird. I can only hope I am wrong.<br />
Really.</p>
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		<title>By: George Keller</title>
		<link>http://cvillenews.com/2011/11/26/oldest-business/#comment-45470</link>
		<dc:creator>George Keller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 22:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[May depend on the source of the gas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May depend on the source of the gas.</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
		<link>http://cvillenews.com/2011/11/26/oldest-business/#comment-45469</link>
		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 22:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, gaslighting is when you try to make someone think (s)he&#039;s losing his mind -- not applicable here, but one of my favorite terms (from a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0036855/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;good movie&lt;/a&gt;). Astro-turfing is close, though, isn&#039;t it? That&#039;s when a group emerges that purports to be a grassroots uprising of concerned citizens opposed to X but turns out to be an arm of the corporate entity that opposes X. That seems similar in spirit to the act of going on to a blog or social media site to talk about Product X or Company X as if one were simply a disinterested fellow citizen rather than someone with a vested interest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, gaslighting is when you try to make someone think (s)he&#8217;s losing his mind &#8212; not applicable here, but one of my favorite terms (from a <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0036855/" rel="nofollow">good movie</a>). Astro-turfing is close, though, isn&#8217;t it? That&#8217;s when a group emerges that purports to be a grassroots uprising of concerned citizens opposed to X but turns out to be an arm of the corporate entity that opposes X. That seems similar in spirit to the act of going on to a blog or social media site to talk about Product X or Company X as if one were simply a disinterested fellow citizen rather than someone with a vested interest.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian</title>
		<link>http://cvillenews.com/2011/11/26/oldest-business/#comment-45468</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 22:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t that a &quot;shill&quot;?
Let me ask me kids... okay, they say &quot;shill&quot; also, but maybe &quot;i-stooge&quot;?
&quot;Gaslighting&quot; would involve incorrect information, wouldn&#039;t it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t that a &#8220;shill&#8221;?<br />
Let me ask me kids&#8230; okay, they say &#8220;shill&#8221; also, but maybe &#8220;i-stooge&#8221;?<br />
&#8220;Gaslighting&#8221; would involve incorrect information, wouldn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
		<link>http://cvillenews.com/2011/11/26/oldest-business/#comment-45467</link>
		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 21:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Christian -- astroturfing? astroposting? gaslighting?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian &#8212; astroturfing? astroposting? gaslighting?</p>
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		<title>By: Waldo Jaquith</title>
		<link>http://cvillenews.com/2011/11/26/oldest-business/#comment-45466</link>
		<dc:creator>Waldo Jaquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 21:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: belmont yo</title>
		<link>http://cvillenews.com/2011/11/26/oldest-business/#comment-45465</link>
		<dc:creator>belmont yo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 21:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;And for the record, I am not being paid to participate in this discussion.&quot;

The oldest business in Charlottesville?

Prostitution, obviously.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And for the record, I am not being paid to participate in this discussion.&#8221;</p>
<p>The oldest business in Charlottesville?</p>
<p>Prostitution, obviously.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian</title>
		<link>http://cvillenews.com/2011/11/26/oldest-business/#comment-45464</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 20:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quiz time! A paid PR consultant posting on a forum about the business that employs her, and not divulging her association with said company is called what now in urban/popular language?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quiz time! A paid PR consultant posting on a forum about the business that employs her, and not divulging her association with said company is called what now in urban/popular language?</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
		<link>http://cvillenews.com/2011/11/26/oldest-business/#comment-45463</link>
		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 20:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Susan, here was Waldo&#039;s lead-in to this thread:

&quot;After half an hour of thinking about this and googling around, I can’t come up with any older local business that’s still running, without interruption, and hasn’t been bought up by a larger business.&quot;

For an outsider to the whole K&amp;G saga (which you are not, so perhaps you don&#039;t see this so clearly), it DOES seem relevant &amp; logical in a &quot;hey, that&#039;s interesting&quot; kind of way, to mention the bankruptcy part of the entire K&amp;G history in response to a thread devoted to talking about long-lived Cville businesses. I mean, I found it to be non-jarring and perfectly logical when I read Hofe&#039;s post. It wasn&#039;t until you sailed in with your defensive-sounding response to Hofe (&quot;So, HOfe how is this important to the discussion of Charlottesville’s oldest businesses?&quot;) that I perked up and began to wonder what was going on. You have drawn far more attention to the bankruptcy aspect of the history than Hofe did.

Moreover, the fact that it turns out you do PR for K&amp;G and did not divulge that fact until called on adds a negative cast to the whole discussion. Now, in my head, K&amp;G is associated with &quot;aggressively defensive moves on local chat board by bungling PR consultant who fails to divulge connection to K&amp;G and then gets busted by Waldo.&quot; That&#039;s my image now of K&amp;G. No big deal, of course, since I don&#039;t have big bucks to drop on a diamond anyway. But still, PR...it seems like it&#039;s supposed to work the other way, no?

Finally, re: your question:

&quot;A question. Would you rather have had them change the name and lose it forever? Or continue to keep the legacy of an old Charlottesville company name going?&quot;

You set up a false dichotomy -- there are more than those two options. K&amp;G could have kept the name and thus the legacy of a...of a name, but could ALSO do more to describe the more recent history of the company. I checked the website, and under &quot;Our History,&quot; the history stops at about 1893, when Keller and George were still in charge. That certainly leaves the impression that once K and G took over, nothing much else significant happened. Which is certainly not true, especially to anyone interested in &quot;shopping locally.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan, here was Waldo&#8217;s lead-in to this thread:</p>
<p>&#8220;After half an hour of thinking about this and googling around, I can’t come up with any older local business that’s still running, without interruption, and hasn’t been bought up by a larger business.&#8221;</p>
<p>For an outsider to the whole K&amp;G saga (which you are not, so perhaps you don&#8217;t see this so clearly), it DOES seem relevant &amp; logical in a &#8220;hey, that&#8217;s interesting&#8221; kind of way, to mention the bankruptcy part of the entire K&amp;G history in response to a thread devoted to talking about long-lived Cville businesses. I mean, I found it to be non-jarring and perfectly logical when I read Hofe&#8217;s post. It wasn&#8217;t until you sailed in with your defensive-sounding response to Hofe (&#8220;So, HOfe how is this important to the discussion of Charlottesville’s oldest businesses?&#8221;) that I perked up and began to wonder what was going on. You have drawn far more attention to the bankruptcy aspect of the history than Hofe did.</p>
<p>Moreover, the fact that it turns out you do PR for K&amp;G and did not divulge that fact until called on adds a negative cast to the whole discussion. Now, in my head, K&amp;G is associated with &#8220;aggressively defensive moves on local chat board by bungling PR consultant who fails to divulge connection to K&amp;G and then gets busted by Waldo.&#8221; That&#8217;s my image now of K&amp;G. No big deal, of course, since I don&#8217;t have big bucks to drop on a diamond anyway. But still, PR&#8230;it seems like it&#8217;s supposed to work the other way, no?</p>
<p>Finally, re: your question:</p>
<p>&#8220;A question. Would you rather have had them change the name and lose it forever? Or continue to keep the legacy of an old Charlottesville company name going?&#8221;</p>
<p>You set up a false dichotomy &#8212; there are more than those two options. K&amp;G could have kept the name and thus the legacy of a&#8230;of a name, but could ALSO do more to describe the more recent history of the company. I checked the website, and under &#8220;Our History,&#8221; the history stops at about 1893, when Keller and George were still in charge. That certainly leaves the impression that once K and G took over, nothing much else significant happened. Which is certainly not true, especially to anyone interested in &#8220;shopping locally.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Susan W. Morgan</title>
		<link>http://cvillenews.com/2011/11/26/oldest-business/#comment-45462</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan W. Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 20:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Logical if you are talking about Schwarzschild Jewelers. But not actually pertinent when talking about Keller &amp; George. Unless the whole explanation was to make the point that the family that&#039;s owned and operated Keller &amp; George for almost 20 years purchased Schwarzschild Jewelers from that sale. By the way, that news was published in the Richmond Times Dispatch and Charlottesville Daily Progress at the time.

There&#039;s no consortium involved in running the company today. Rather there was a consortium put together by the company that conducted the sale, of their firm with two retailers - one willing to purchase Schwarzschild and one willing to purchase Shreve Crump and Low and revive the brands. 

A question. Would you rather have had them change the name and lose it forever? Or continue to keep the legacy of an old Charlottesville company name going?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Logical if you are talking about Schwarzschild Jewelers. But not actually pertinent when talking about Keller &amp; George. Unless the whole explanation was to make the point that the family that&#8217;s owned and operated Keller &amp; George for almost 20 years purchased Schwarzschild Jewelers from that sale. By the way, that news was published in the Richmond Times Dispatch and Charlottesville Daily Progress at the time.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no consortium involved in running the company today. Rather there was a consortium put together by the company that conducted the sale, of their firm with two retailers &#8211; one willing to purchase Schwarzschild and one willing to purchase Shreve Crump and Low and revive the brands. </p>
<p>A question. Would you rather have had them change the name and lose it forever? Or continue to keep the legacy of an old Charlottesville company name going?</p>
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